so both sides are noilli w to do this, but more than willing to blame each other for something going wrong. >> go ahead, maria. >> but, t.j., when you have the president, a democratic president of the united states, put on the table, be willing to negotiate changes in the most sacred of cows for democrats and america's families, social security, medicare, medicaid, there is no way you can credibly say that this president is not putting absolutely everything on the table to get done what we need to get done, which is make sure that we do not go into a second great depression by letting our country go into default. republicans, many have said, bachmann, pawlenty and many of the freshman republican have said that they don't believe that this debt ceiling is actually real. they don't understand the economic consequences of this. >> but they're not at the table. >> and thank god they're not at the table, but -- >> lenny, go ahead. go ahead, lenny. >> but they're influencing boehner. >> but those folks aren't at the table -- >> they're influencing boehner, who is the one who walked away. >> wait, guys.